hey everybody welcome back to the channel and welcome back to another role playing video. In this video I'll be covering the malignant narcissistic father. The role play is about a father like that calling his daughter in an effort to control, to manipulate, and to put down.
Narcissistic Parent and Gender of Their Children You know I find that with the narcissistic parent they have different agendas with the different genders of their children. In a prior video I had a narcissistic mother who was being abusive to her son, and in this case we have the narcissistic father being abusive to the daughter. I find that with a father-daughter relationship with malignant narcissism it's more about ownership and control. If it was a malignant father and a son it is often about this weird competitive energy that the father creates with the son. You guys can feel free to leave a comment about what kind of dynamics you'd like to see that maybe applies to your situation with a narcissistic parent.
So the scenario in this video is a highly narcissistic father calls his daughter who is in her early 20s to ask why she is seeing a therapist since it has now shown up on an insurance statement, since she is on his plan. She is a recent graduate or about to graduate and she is trying to establish her first professional job. Think about this daughter as being somewhere in the ballpark between like 22 and 24. I'll run the role play in three parts as usual: first is with the narcissistic father, second role play is with what it would look like if the father was healthy, and the third role play is about the daughter being empowered and having some power in the situation with the malignant narcissist.
As always, comments that point out that we shouldn't be picking up the phone anyway with somebody like this are just way too judgy and not necessary. Everyone starts somewhere and the point of these videos is to highlight how toxic these family systems can be, and knowing that is the first step to disengaging.
Trigger Warning So here we go, and I want to give you guys a heads up about being triggered. This gets gross fast. If at any time it feels uncomfortable you can just stop the video. I will run the three role plays and then I'll also do a recap at the end.
First Role Play - Malignant Narcissist Father Hello. Hey, I'm looking at this insurance statement and it nearly gave me a stroke. What are you seeing a therapist for? You of all people have no problems. "Dad, I'm sorry, I was going to tell you, I thought all that was confidential." God, don't be so dumb, Cassie. I'm the policy holder and you're not 26 yet. I see everything, remember? I get all the bills. I bet you don't even know how a deductible works. "Dad, I didn't know that you'd see that. I just started seeing this person two months ago." Well I looked them up and it seems like you're seeing a big nobody. Classic you. Their office is even downtown, Cassie. They're not even a doctor and what are those ridiculous letters after their names? You're probably getting scammed. "I'm sorry Dad, it's been helpful and I like them." Oh please. You're fine. You just need to stop talking to your mother so much. She needs a psych ward and God knows I thought about getting her committed. And another thing—your mother insanely thinks that I don't know how to get the court to see that I'm right about the financial statements but that's a whole other story, and you can go right ahead and tell her all about it.
Look, you don't need therapy, you need a job. Some nobody loser therapist with terrible headshots on their website is just pathetic, and they just want your money. I don't even know how you can see somebody who looks like that. By the way, I left them a voicemail—since I'm paying for this they need to talk to me about this so I can set them straight about you. "Dad, you can't do that." I can. You need my permission to speak with them. "She's not going to call you back. They were really good therapists and they're not like that at all. Once I get a job I can get off your insurance and it won't be a pain for you, okay? I've been interviewing." This says you. I'll keep calling them. I have my ways. Hold off on that getting your own insurance, okay? We'll see. You probably won't get a decent starting job and you probably still need to be on my plan, unless you're interviewing for something high profile, which I seriously doubt. "Well I just graduated and I've had two interviews for non-profits." Oh come on, Cassie. Non-profits pay nothing and they're so dumpy. What are you doing? Have you not learned anything from me? "Dad, I'm sorry, I just don't want to work on the corporate side of business administration. It doesn't line up with me, and I know that you hate that." You went to school for that though! Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. Again with this lame dreamer stuff. You didn't want to get into journalism when I thought you'd make a fantastic anchor woman. You're the perfect type for that. You didn't want to get into law when I can see you knocking people dead in court if you just got out of your mother's dopey mindset. And you didn't want to get into medicine when you could have done very impressive things in that. You're throwing all those looks and smarts away. And now you finish a business degree and want to slave yourself for people who can't fend for themselves and will just line up for whatever handouts your little non-profit is giving out that day. Do you think you're going to look like you're saving the world on your little Instagram account or something? "That's too much Dad. None of that is even fair. Those jobs are just what you want. So that's what you think of me in this." Cassie, look, I built the family business and provided for you and everybody else. And every guy who works for me wants my life. They ask me all the time: how did you get here, Jim? How did you do it? And you know it breaks my heart to think that you think I just want you to do what I say. I can't be a father. I just don't want you to end up like a single loser like your mother is. She makes no money, Cassie, and she has no visibility in her job. I'm trying to help you. "Dad, can you please stop bringing up mom? I don't want to work in corporate. I don't want something so soulless and male dominated. My friend Kim started a place last month and she's so grossed out." How about that, you've officially succumbed to the liberal media and now you have no idea how the real world works. Maybe those men run things because they started the company, Cassie. It's theirs. This is unbelievable. You're definitely talking to your mother too much. She didn't know how to play nice with men either. You know, I can't even talk about my own daughter without getting nauseated about what she's doing—that she's giving up on herself and working for like homeless shelters or some stupid immigrant agency. All that support I gave you—I'm telling you, you would do something amazing if you would just listen to me. "Dad, I'm sorry, I know you want what's best for me." Finally, you're admitting it. It's the only thing I want. And I got all that not making your graduation because I was again providing and working my ass off. "Well Dad, there is this job I can apply for, it's like a sales and marketing position. But what's so wrong with being salaried at a non-profit?" Cassie, you go nowhere and you're not visible. I built my business building homes by impressing people up front. They love me, they trust me, they even worship me. That's how I got contracts. People love me so much they don't even care about the quality of work that I do, even though it's better than other contractors. That's how I made my money: up and up and up. Non-profit people go nowhere because they don't want to go anywhere. Your mother could never see what good I could do, and it's her loss. She never understood I was taking us places. Let me know when you applied. You know I know a lot of business people, it's a small world. I can help you, just as long as you stop being stupid with your life.
Second Role Play - Healthy Father Hello. Hey honey, I want to check in with you about something I saw on our insurance statement. If it's too sensitive you don't have to talk about it with me, but I see that you're seeing a therapist and I got a little worried. "Oh yeah, sorry, I meant to tell you. I thought all that stuff was confidential." I know, you think it would be, but since you're on my plan and you're not 26 yet, all the statements come together. Are you okay with talking to me about it? "Sure. Yeah, it's a little embarrassing but I just started seeing someone a couple months ago because I need help figuring out my job stuff." Totally get it. You just graduated and I'm sure it's stressful. You go from hitting the finish line with school and then you're jumping into all that pressure about finding something, right? "It's totally like that. And the therapist is helping me chill out about my anxiety about it. I don't want to be waiting tables forever but my rent sucks up all that money and my other friends have already gotten jobs and I'm just anxious." I've been there, and you know it'll happen soon. I'm glad that this person's helpful to you. And you know the offer still stands if you want to do some work for the business, but I know that's not really your jam. "Thanks Dad, I really want to do this on my own. I have a business degree now but I can't stand the options because they're mostly corporate. I've interviewed with two non-profits and they seemed to do really cool things that I like better, rather than working in this really male-dominated corporate situation. Kim just got a job in corporate and it's so gross to her." I bet. Tell me about the nonprofits. "Well, one does really cool work with inner city education, and the other provides art and music programs in the community." I can totally see you doing work like that. That's so you. I love that you're thinking like that. It's really important to do something that lines up with your insides. I'm proud of you for staying true to yourself, but finding your way is super hard. Once you get into that place and stop waiting tables, you're going to feel like you're on top of the world. I'm glad this person's helpful to you. Love you, Dad. "And I'll also probably get my own health insurance when I get hired so you don't have to worry." Cool, well either way—more adulting. I'm glad you're all right, I just wanted to call you. Okay, love you.
Third Role Play - Empowered Daughter with Malignant Narcissist Father Hello. Hey, I'm looking at this insurance statement and it nearly gave me a stroke. What are you seeing a therapist for? You don't have any problems. "Yeah Dad, that's not the way to start a conversation with me. How did that show up on your statement?" God, don't be dumb, Cassie. I'm the policy holder and you're not 26 yet. I see everything, remember? I pay all the bills. I bet you don't even know how a deductible works. "Look, I'll be off your insurance as soon as I get a job. I'm not engaging with you if you continue to be abusive. I set the tone here, not you." So I looked up this therapist and it seems like you're seeing a big nobody. Classic you. Their office isn't even downtown, Cassie. They're not even a real doctor, and what are those ridiculous letters after their name? I tell you what it's not—MD. You're probably getting scammed. I left them a voicemail. I need to know what you're talking about. "They won't talk to you without my permission and it's none of your business. And like I said…" Oh please, it is my business because I'm paying for it. Just like I pay for everything else. You and your mother can't live a day without my money. Seriously, you're fine. And I can't imagine what fake problems your mother talked you into having. She needs a psych ward, God knows I tried to get her committed to one. "I'm hanging up. You continuously put me and my mother down, and you are not worth it. I don't need the insurance." Hold on, I'm just trying to look out for you. You can stay on the insurance if you need it, you just can't hang up on your father. It's bad enough your mother has no consideration for how she talks to you.
Final Thoughts So to recap: some highlighted issues with the malignant narcissist. I tried to spell out his disgust with things that don't involve beauty or success or specialness or visibility—such as his disgust with the therapist. His constant contempt for the daughter and the mother, and how he interprets weakness in them by using words like "dopey" or "dumb"—that sort of abusive put-down stuff. And his off-the-charts misogyny, like the anchor woman comments.
Narcissists are always focused on image. The energy from him is that he is using her for his own image in some way. And all the other stuff: the usual lack of empathy, the grandiosity, the inflated sense of self, even some paranoia—like the comments about the mother's financial statements. I'm implying there's a divorce, probably a painfully messy divorce with somebody like that.
What I'm really trying to spell out in this video is the familiarity with somebody like this. If a daughter has a father like this, research points to them most likely engaging in abusive relationships later in life that mirror these dynamics. The father makes her feel like a huge disappointment, yet holds her hostage—he doesn't want her to get off the insurance. That most likely results in a daughter developing codependency, where her identity gets wrapped up in his approval, yet she's battling with who she is and what she wants.
And it's also all those "you should feel guilty while I'm blatantly being abusive to you" kinds of interactions—it's just off the charts. Also, the empowered daughter could have gone gray rock at the end. She could have even gotten bigger or played along like "Mickey the dunce" or something. It doesn't matter. The role plays are about perspective. I'm not giving direct advice to hang up on a parent or go gray rock—it's just for perspective. Everyone's situation is different. I'm not giving you concrete tips on what to do.
A father like this, as a side note, is definitely worth doing cut-offs. But everyone's situation is different. With someone like that, with that kind of pathology, there's really going to be no winning in that kind of relationship.
So I hope that was helpful to you guys. Stay tuned for a clinical analysis.